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Title: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on November 29, 2008, 09:27:01 PM
I'd like to build a lobster trap puller and davit for the boat for next year. Since I'm way too lazy to pull traps by hand, i'd like to put together a motorized system of some sort. I have a motor with a horizontal shaft and was wondering if any of you guys had any thoughts as to how to go about either adding a clutch or reduction gears etc. Do I need hydrolics or can I get along without? I have no experience with these systems so any ideas are welcome.
thanks.
Jimw
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: caplee on November 29, 2008, 10:05:08 PM
 ;D
There all pricie  take a look at Quality Products Northwest/or kolstrans (spelling?) there first class.you may get some ideas.
         LEE
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: Craig F on November 30, 2008, 09:02:22 PM
I have aa ACE Pot Puller.  We use them for shrimp pots in Prince William Sound.  A bit spendy, but i sure like it and it saves the arms when we are down 400 feet.  Craig F.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: tolman_paul on December 03, 2008, 10:26:12 AM
I need to get a pot puller!  I've dropped my 2 pots, each weighted with 4# of lead, plus 4# of lead on the line to 600' and have pulled them twice by hand.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 03, 2008, 11:05:00 AM
so far I have a double ended mandrel/axle withs two pillars for 50 bucks and a 6" pulley for 20 bucks.
I need a 3/4 bore smaller pulley for the motor shaft, a v-belt, and a capstan for the working end.
The whole system should cost about two hundred and fifty excluding 5hp motor.
I hope that the 6" pulley slows things down enough to be effective.
all said and done it's probably cheaper to buy the ready made electric type for less than a grand.
Of course buying the electric one wouldn't be this much fun.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 03, 2008, 07:14:13 PM
OK, throw everthing out the window and enter Gear reduction drives and Capstans.
Stay tuned.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: steveoh on December 03, 2008, 08:44:18 PM
I need to get a pot puller!  I've dropped my 2 pots, each weighted with 4# of lead, plus 4# of lead on the line to 600' and have pulled them twice by hand.

hah, and my crew complains about 21 lb crab pots in a 120 feet of water with an eight foot swell. Wimps.  Come on over here and crew for me Paul. I've got my eyes on some shrimp pots that I want to fish in about 600' of water....
 
I have a lovely manual davit. Will bring beer and the world's largest carnitas burrito.

steveoh

Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: tolman_paul on December 04, 2008, 10:19:53 AM
I didn't say I had any desire to hand pull again  >:(  The worst part is both sets resulted in a dozen shrimp for each pull  :o  It wouldn't be so bad if the pots were over flowing with shrimp.  Actually on the second set we'd holed up during a gale and I half hoped the storm had blown the pots away so I didn't have to hand pull them  :P

And to think I was planning to get more pots so I could drop a limit of 5 pots.

If I keep the boat I'm not sure what the foremost upgrades will be, a Furuno fish finder is looking like #1, and a wallas heater #2, I guess that puts the pot puller #3.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: AlasKen on December 04, 2008, 10:46:22 AM
Have you tried the Mr. Buddy propane heater.  I know that they are supposed to get more moisture in the air but people I have talked to who use them swear by them.  They are relatively cheap, easy to move around where you need the heat, have the ability to mount to a bulkhead, and have an oxygen sensor to auto shut off, (although you don't want to count on it).  I have limited space to have a built in heater.  The main cabin is pretty much off limits as I don't want to give up seating area so it would mean installing in the cuddy.  I know that others have done so, including Renn.  I don't do much extended fall camping so I am usually trying to take the chill off while fishing.  I use one of those Coleman propace catalytic heaters, (the one with the round heating surface) and it works pretty well.  I usually have a couple of windows cracked so moisture hasn't been a problem.  It will last all day with a 1 lb bottle.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: tolman_paul on December 04, 2008, 01:04:31 PM
Moisture is one of the things I want to get rid of.  We have a serious condensation issue when we sleep on the boat, add to that kids that just have to get sopping wet and we need something that get's rid or the moisture.  I have the perfect spot to locate a heater, and with the combo of being able to cook on it, it seems like the way to go, just expensive.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 04, 2008, 03:15:49 PM
Reduction gear rigs = huge money. This idea has been officialy canned.
Back to the pulley / axle idea.
I picked up a 2 inch pulley with a 3/4 keyed bore for the motor side. this cuts the rpm's to 1/2.
I think I'll probably need to reduce this again to get a reasonable speed on the windlass.
Ordered a capstan and folbe block, want to see how these work out.
I'm told that some people use the capstan alone directly driven from the crank shaft. That will be a last resort.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: JMB on December 04, 2008, 11:58:55 PM
Don't forget to have a knife sheathed to leg at calf.  Just in case the line between buoy and lobster/crab trap becomes in contact and wound up with you appendage.  Just another safety feature for off shore trappin.
Good luck with trap puller apparatus.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 05, 2008, 06:31:54 AM
Good advice on the knife. Thanks.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: steveoh on December 05, 2008, 07:34:36 AM
Over the years I've seen multiple reports of recreational boaters getting their props caught in crabpot lines from silted in old heavy commercial pots, and getting their stern pulled down just as a wave overtakes them. It's not a pretty picture.  I keep a knife strapped to my davit, and have other knives strategically placed all over the boat for such situations. I also have my leatherman strapped on at all times and recommend my crew carry a knife.

Just the other week a couple fellows were out on the ocean and they got caught by a big wave and the boat turned turtle. They were inside their zipped up canvas pilot house and were later found drowned. I wonder if they'd of had a chance if they had knives on person.

Gonna order some more orange handled knives.

steveoh
Don't forget to have a knife sheathed to leg at calf.  Just in case the line between buoy and lobster/crab trap becomes in contact and wound up with you appendage.  Just another safety feature for off shore trappin.
Good luck with trap puller apparatus.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 06, 2008, 11:42:52 AM
Capstan and block arrived today (Massachusetts).
I ordered them from go 2 marine in Washington two days ago  (cheapest rate).
That's pretty quick if you ask me.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: gmclain on December 06, 2008, 06:56:45 PM
Make sure to post pictures so us freshwater guys can learn something, thanks and good luck.
Glenn
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: kiwi les on December 07, 2008, 09:38:48 AM
I saw a good idea some time back for a puller. The guy has used a capstain, but it was the davit that was the interesting bit. It was mounted alongside his pilot house, and when not in use, it was swung around so that its line blended in with his house roof. It was out of the way, easily accessable, and did not upset the lines of the boat - sorry no pics!

les
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: wishiwasfishin on December 08, 2008, 07:41:48 PM
try this link to  a guy who built his own. Includes pics.

http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3722
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: walknbob on December 08, 2008, 11:07:53 PM
try this link to  a guy who built his own. Includes pics.

http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3722

I tried to check this out and got 404 page not found errors for all the picture links. Sounds interesting though.

Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: KenB on December 09, 2008, 08:10:38 AM
Hey Les,

that is what I was thinking of. I was going to have one made in exchange for my old orange boat. He wanted to use square tubing but I like the way the round stuff looks. Either way, I think the swing arm is the way to go. I get a little nervous about have the thing anchored too far away from the center... but then that may be worse in the worst situations.  What's the right answer?
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: kiwi les on December 09, 2008, 09:36:25 AM
The right answer!!! wouldn't have a clue. I guess its a case of each to his own. My thoughts are though, is that because of the placement in this case. The helmsman was also the pot hauler, and would be able to place his boat as needed. Handy if you are by yourself or have crew who would be unfamiliar with the operation. Also I think the boat would be better balanced.

When I first saw this boat, I never knew it had a puller on it, as it was so well blended in with the lines!

les
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: JMB on December 09, 2008, 01:53:40 PM
Just a mental note.
Your Davie is on the helms side.  Which on Maine lobster boats are on the Starboard side.  And, when hunting down the sometimes elusive lobsta buoys, which can sometimes be caught underwater, usually you are always turning to the Starboard.  But, that's wherefor the "boat hook".  And, not the "wet suit"!
Heres where the mental note comes in:
Usually when a "wooden" lobsta boat is hauled for repairs/painting and sometimes f.g. lobsta boats boats have the same occurrence, the "keel" is hogged to the left/right, right about amidships.  The keel is never straight!  Usually, from the constant turning to the right and hauling on the right side of boat. 
Everything connects to that keel.  Constantly "pushing" that keel toward the opposite side, of whatever hauling side you are using.

Thankfully not the problem of the Tolman hull.  Probably won't that tendency to "go out of shape".  Practically no keel.  Just a short strake.  So, along these lines I will recommend that where the pots are pulled up, especially up the "dory" hull, there be many layers, not just 1 layer of 10 oz.  At least 1 layer of 24oz asxiel (?) fg and 2 layers of at least, if not heavier, 10oz fg cloth.
I remember laying up one on a f.g. lobsta boat.

Started below the turn of the bilge.   Covering the chine and all the way up the side and covering the "toe" rail.  And, about 6' long along the side.  This with polyester resin.  And, the polyester resin was tinted the same color, if not that close, to the color of the hull.  Which held quite well.  And, saved all the scrapes/scratches that, now the metal pots,  and still sometime wooden pots, would "ground" onto that l.b.

But, now I recommend epoxy resin because of the durability of the end product.  + this is the medium all the Tolman builders are using.
Well that's it from JMB.
Have a great week.  And, enjoy what's left of "08"?!?
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 09, 2008, 03:25:44 PM
lined up a welder to borrow, and plan on working on a wooden mockup for framework for holding the working parts. It's a mig, and so they have some wire that is designed to weld aluminum. Frame will have holes machined to accept bolts to fasten things down. The pulleys are larger than the pillars that hold the axle so the stand will be built to accomodate them.

Sure do hope I can work out some sort of method for tensioning the belts so there is no slipage on the wheels. I'm concerned about that. Going to make a visit to the junk yard and see if they have some tensioner wheels that can be adapted for this purpose.

I was thinking that I'd build some sort of hull protector to drape over the side from the gunwale to just past the spray rail. That or add some verticle strips of wood to side to achieve some protection and look salty. Plenty of time to worry about that.

No real concern about hiding the davit. I have a length of stainless steel pipe about an inch or so accross, and wonder if I can bend it a bit, but may not need to as the side flair may be all that's needed. we'll see.


Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: kiwi les on December 09, 2008, 10:59:54 PM
As regard to "hull wracking" as described. There is a big difference to a full time commercial operation , than a casual lift on a hobby scale. If a hull is being twisted and warped due to the lifts, then there is a design flaw to allow this, When you design your lifter, look at the forces being generated, and then design the geometry to compensate. Obviously extra framing would be required, like a full width gusset underneath the gunnel, and going right through to the keel, being boxed in by the sole, all corners gusseted, and taped to the sides. Or use carbon tube and do the same, tying in the sides to the hull bottom and sole. There are many ways of doing this, you'll just have do sort it out yourself!

les
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: wishiwasfishin on December 19, 2008, 04:41:25 PM
try again
http://s159.photobucket.com/albums/t121/blueorca911/

http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3444&whichpage=1&SearchTerms=puller
 
Using winch motor. Hope this helps.
 
Mike
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 19, 2008, 06:28:51 PM
Mike,
Thanks for posting. This looks like a lot simpler and safer method.
I have an anchor puller that is too big for my boat that may be adapted easily.
Thanks again.
Jimw
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: KenB on December 19, 2008, 10:20:51 PM
howzit brah?  look good?
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 20, 2008, 08:27:46 AM
There's a generation gap here.

The anchor puller has a two way motor that spins a shaft in reverse and backs off a threaded gear which disengages the last gear which allows the anchor to fall. Spin the motor in the other direction adn the gear threads itself into place and engages the larger gear to pull the anchor up.
It's an ingenious little rig. What is most welcome is that the reduction gears are in place and mounted on a handy bracket. All I'll need to do is adapt the windlass or other device to the working end and voila , I have an anchor puller.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: kiwi les on December 20, 2008, 01:06:19 PM
You will need to use a drum of coarse, with 3 turns of the warp around it, and manually feed the warp into a bin. I would also be inclined to put the warp through a cleat of some description, as  used in yachts, so you can stop the pull at any stage and then be hands free. Also look at using a foot power switch for the operator, obviously for safety reasons!

les
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 20, 2008, 05:58:22 PM
The current configuration has three reduction gear sets that are somewhere around 7:1 ratio.
The final output on the last set is 32 rpm, which is about 37 feet per minute of rope retrieval on approx 14 inch circumferance wheel.
The pot pullers that I've seen on line are usually in the 100 fpm range, so I will need a final pulley with a circumferance of about 42 inches for 112 fpm. Sound about right ???

A foot controll is an excellent idea as it leaves both hands free to collect the trap and guide the rope etc.  I should be able to build a wooden peddle that could handle the job without too much fuss.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 20, 2008, 06:08:02 PM
So I'm looking at about a 7.8 inch radian or about 15 inches accross for the final pulley.
I wonder if I can make one out of wood.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: wishiwasfishin on December 25, 2008, 02:39:34 PM
Bolt two aluminium frying pans back to back to make pulley. Others have done it and it works.
Mike
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: AlasKen on December 25, 2008, 06:20:47 PM
Watch out for the handles coming around. ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 25, 2008, 07:49:04 PM
OUCH!

If I can find a Machinist who can make the final two pulleys equal sized it will end up with a final rpm that will deliver about 84 fpm.
Problem is it's easier to find a hens tooth than a Machinist. I guess all of that work went to China too.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: sinned on December 25, 2008, 08:31:45 PM
depends on what you call 'machining' and out of what. i think for your application, the accuracy would not be critical. 

btw: how big a 'throat' are you looking for on the pulley?

i have made single job use dies for a tubing bender with strange/od diameters and profiles out of epoxy laminated plywood. usually 3 pcs 1/2 or 3/4" acx. drill the center hole accurately, then mount a flange mounted bearing over a pilot in the hole. rough cut the circle on the band saw using the pilot to turn about. then using the same type pilot fixture running it through the router table to cut the profile. we would reinforce the whole mess with drywall screws around the perimeter to keep the laminations from splitting.

i'd imagine you could do the same thing  with a blank of nylon.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jim shula on December 26, 2008, 03:59:14 AM
Jim,

If you make the pulleys out of built up plywood you could make the middle piece slightly smaller to create the throat.  Ease the edges on the outboard pieces to make a smooth transition.  If you go this route, I'd be glad to cut these pieces out on the cnc for you. 
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: gmclain on December 26, 2008, 05:53:58 AM
I cann't wait to see a picture of this when it is done.
If you have a high school vocational center near by they will often do one off work like this if they have a machine shop, ours locally only charges for material, gives the kids experience also. Just a thought good luck.
Glenn
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 26, 2008, 07:29:40 AM
I have misled you........I appologize.

What I meant to say is "the last two gears" istead of the last two pulleys.
The anchor puller has an electric motor that goes thru three sets of reduction gears.
The last set of gears are the ones that I want to make equal in size and thereby maintain the rpm.
Then the capstan will attach to the last axle to achieve about 84 fpm retrieval of rope.

Where's my camera ?
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 26, 2008, 08:06:33 AM
1 the first reduction gear set
2 the second reduction gear set
3/4 the third
5 the axle for the capstan

I need 3 and 4 gears to be the same size in order to achieve an rpm that will give me 84 fpm with the capstan attached to axle 5.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 26, 2008, 12:36:28 PM
I wonder if I could weld two equal sized bicycle sprockets onto the axles and put a chain drive in as the last drive. Think it would be strong enough ?
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: wishiwasfishin on December 26, 2008, 08:35:47 PM
Here is another way to build prawn puller. Still could use winch motor.

Note no handles on the frying pans!  Not a powered nuckle buster.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 27, 2008, 07:26:15 AM
Yup, I've seen this type on the web somewhere.
Electric motor at teh top of the davit behind the pulley.
I have an open ended pulley for teh top of the davit that teh rope will be fed thru, then to teh windlass in the boat.
thanks
jimw
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: gmclain on December 27, 2008, 05:06:07 PM
Bear with me I am a fresh water boater. On the frying pan model in the picture if the motor is behind the frying pans how is the rope griped? Is there enough v in the pans that the weight of the pot pulls the line in so it gets enough grip to be hoisted? I have been trying to figure out in my head how all this works, most of the ways I have come up with seem like a good way to hurt myself! Maybe pulling pots is a good way to get hurt, I don't know. Could you salt water gentlemen shed some light on this for me? Thanks.
Glenn
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 27, 2008, 07:23:06 PM
Bear with me I am a fresh water boater. On the frying pan model in the picture if the motor is behind the frying pans how is the rope griped? Is there enough v in the pans that the weight of the pot pulls the line in so it gets enough grip to be hoisted? I have been trying to figure out in my head how all this works, most of the ways I have come up with seem like a good way to hurt myself! Maybe pulling pots is a good way to get hurt, I don't know. Could you salt water gentlemen shed some light on this for me? Thanks.
Glenn

Hi Glenn,
My experience is limited. I've seen the pan type or similar on the web, but I've not seen them up close and personal. With that in mind, I believe the rope is wrapped once  or twice around the point where the "pans" meet and yes there is enough grip to hoist a pot.  Thats it. The pans are driven by the electric motor and the rope is reeled in like a fishing line. The way I'm going about it is a little different in that there will be a pulley suspended by the davit adn the rope will pass over that pulley and down to a windlass that is driven by an electric motor.  The rope will be wound around the windlass a time or two in order to get enough grip to retrieve the rope. Hopefully there will be a "keepa"  or two in the pot ! ! !
Jimw
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: gmclain on December 28, 2008, 04:59:26 PM
Thanks Jimw, the system does work as simple as it sounds, guess I was trying to make it to complicated.
Glenn
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on December 28, 2008, 05:26:48 PM
No worries Glen, the difficult part so far has been trying to slow down or reduce the rpm of any motor that you can use. Both the electric and gas are way too rpm fast to use comfortably.

I now have two bicycle sprockets and a chain that I'm going to take a look at to see if I can use them or not.
I also have a borrowed welder to use to make connections to the axles as needed.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: tolman_paul on January 09, 2009, 10:12:52 AM
Just make sure you put a gard around the chain :O

#35 chain is a a good size and you can get a variety of sprockets used for racing karts.  Which reminds, I have a variety of sprockets and some shafts and bearings so it would be pretty easy for me to rig up a gas motor for a put puller.  Use a centrifigal clutch so when you let off the gas it stops pulling line, and put a capstan on the motor and make up a davit with a decen sized pully.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: gmclain on January 09, 2009, 10:22:59 AM
Paul sounds like the wheels are turning (pardon the pun) keep thinking like that and there will be a pot puller on the back of your boat before your wife realizes it.
Glenn
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: tolman_paul on January 09, 2009, 12:57:06 PM
I just can't see dropping fishpots again without having a pot puller on board.  I only have two pots so far, but each has 4#'s of lead to keep them from floating off.  Pulling them by hand in 600' of water sucks!

I have several items I need to finish on the boat, the pot puller is at the bottom of the list.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: gmclain on January 11, 2009, 06:33:19 PM
Could you pull pots with a bouy in the manner of which has been spoke in other threads to lift an anchor in deep water? Or would doing so damage the crabs or shrimp? Just a thought.
Glenn
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: walknbob on January 11, 2009, 07:36:14 PM
Could you pull pots with a bouy in the manner of which has been spoke in other threads to lift an anchor in deep water? Or would doing so damage the crabs or shrimp? Just a thought.
Glenn

I've asked that too. The answer I got qot was yes you can.. but.. Where you shrimp you can have 400' feet out between you and the bouy so you have to keep an eye out that someone doesn't go between you and the bouy. Also since you would be using much smaller chain it is more likely to fall back through the hoop and begin falling as soon as you stop. Especially if you have several pots daisy chained. I have never done it myself but that is what I have been told by others who have.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: gmclain on January 12, 2009, 06:11:01 AM
WOW 400' that is along way down! I think I would be finding out a way to lift those pots besides the stong back method.
What if you rigged up some type of a catch that would snag the bouy and not allow the chaing to slide back through? Simple fish hook shape might work, not quite as round though so it will come through the hoop easily.
Just a thought.
Glenn
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: AlasKen on January 12, 2009, 08:58:21 AM
We pull crab pots with a buoy on my friends boat in Juneau.  Usually 200' - 250' of water.  You need to ensure that there are not any other crab pots that you will snag while pulling.  There is also a special type of slide that you can get that only slides one way so it can not drop.  Beats the heck out of the strong back method.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: gmclain on January 12, 2009, 09:44:35 AM
And the winner is AlasKen for having first hand knowledge of pulling pots with a bouy. I'll bet that special slide is a whole lot cheaper than a davit also if you have room to utilize it.
Glenn
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: tolman_paul on January 12, 2009, 09:58:27 AM
I tried pulling with the bouy and it didn't work, the pots would just follow behind the boat w/o the line sliding through the ring.  I've also heard the force generated from pulling with a buoy can cause the shrimp to be forced out of the pot.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: AlasKen on January 12, 2009, 10:05:22 AM
Please note that my experience was with larger crab pots and not shrimp pots.  The crab pots are heavier and the crab are bigger and not likely to be forced out of the pot.  I would think that if you were going to try this with shrimp you would need to use a smaller buoy so it could go under water a bit.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on January 12, 2009, 05:06:10 PM
I like this method a lot, should work great with lobster traps. A one way clamp on a buoy and away you go.

I put out a bid for a 1:1 gear set and the cheapest bid was a $100.00. I should have said screw it and gone with the cheaper chain and sproket method, but I was weak and accepted the offer.
Still waiting for gears to be made at this time.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: walknbob on January 12, 2009, 05:56:41 PM
I tried pulling with the bouy and it didn't work, the pots would just follow behind the boat w/o the line sliding through the ring. 

Paul

I have heard this too. The guy who said he had done it said it would only work with 4 or 5 pots... (what ever is the max you are allowed). He also weighted his pots pretty well to keep them from roaming with the tide, and had plenty of slack in the bouy line so that there was no way the bouy could lift any pots at high tide. I had not heard anything about the shrimp being swept out of the pot. All in all the mechanical puller really sounds like the best method, though more expensive initially.

It's on my wish list.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: tolman_paul on January 13, 2009, 10:56:43 AM
My pot line is 800' of poly, with a 1# sinker placed mid length to keep the floating line from coiling up on the surface and fouling pots.  I got 3 400' spools from sportsman's, spliced two together, then spliced in clip points at 100' on the 3rd line.  I need to pick up 3 more pots, and a pot puller.  For the hassle of dropping them, I might as well run a full string, and no way I want to pull them by hand from 600'.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: HUSKER GA-28 on January 13, 2009, 11:02:14 AM
What is a good guesstimate as to the weight of the pots when lifted? What is the dimension of the average noncommercial pot? Ken
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on January 13, 2009, 05:17:45 PM
The volume is the same for both. The metal ones are light enough that they are weighted with a brick or two to insure they settle bottom first. This is my first attempt at trapping so I'm sure I have a thing or two to learn in the process.


6.01  Lobster Maximum and Minimum Sizes 
 (1)  Maximum & Minimum Size. 
   (a) Commercial Fishery: 
   1.  Commercial fishermen fishing or authorized to fish in LCMA 1 as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 are prohibited from possessing a lobster with a carapace length smaller than 3 1/4 inches or larger than five inches.
   2. Commercial fishermen fishing or authorized to fish in LCMA 2, 4, and 5 as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 are prohibited from possessing a lobster with a carapace length smaller than 3 3/8 inches and, effective July 1, 2008, larger than 5 1/4"..   
   3.  Commercial fishermen fishing or authorized to fish in LCMA 3 as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 are prohibited from possessing a lobster with a carapace length: 
    i. smaller than: 
      a. 3 15/32 inches from July 1, 2007 through June 30, 2008; 
      b. 3 1/2 inches from July 1, 2008 and beyond; and 
    ii. larger than: 
      a. 7 from June 30, 2008 through June 30, 2009; 
      b. 6 7/8 from July 1, 2009 through June 30, 2010; 
      c. 6 from July 1, 2010 and beyond. 
   4. Commercial fishermen fishing or authorized to fish in LCMA Outer Cape Cod as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 are prohibited from possessing a lobster with a carapace length smaller than 3 3/8 inches.   
   5. Commercial fishermen fishing or authorized to fish in LCMA Area 6 as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 are prohibited from possessing a lobster with a carapace length smaller than 3 9/32 inches and, effective July 1, 2008, larger than 5 1/4". 
  (b)  Non-Commercial Fishery:
   1. Non-commercial fishermen fishing in the Gulf of Maine Recreational Area as authorized under 322 CMR 7.01(4)(b) and defined in 322 CMR 6.33 are prohibited from possessing a lobster with a carapace length smaller than 3 1/4 inches or larger than five inches.
   2. Non-commercial fishermen fishing in the Outer Cape Cod Recreational Area as authorized under 322 CMR 7.01(4)(b) and defined in 322 CMR 6.33 are prohibited from possessing a lobster with a carapace length smaller than 3 3/8 inches.
   3. Non-commercial fishermen fishing in the Southern New England Recreational Area as authorized under 322 CMR 7.01(4)(b) and defined in 322 CMR 6.33 are prohibited from possessing a lobster with a carapace length smaller than 3 3/8 inches or larger than 5 1/4 inches.
 (2)  Method of Measurement 
  (a)  All lobsters shall be measured immediately. Any person diving for lobster shall measure all lobsters in possession prior to surfacing.
  (b)  Lobsters shall be measured from the rear of the eye socket along a line parallel to the center line of the body shell to the rear end of the body shell.
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6.02  Taking of Lobsters in the Coastal Waters of the Commonwealth 
 (1)  Gear Restrictions. It is unlawful for any person to take or attempt to take lobsters from waters under the jurisdiction of the Commonwealth by use of pots or traps without said pots or traps having the following features:
  (a)  Escape Vent: One or more unobstructed rectangular escape vents or openings or two or more unobstructed round openings in the parlor section(s) of the trap from which lobsters are normally removed by the fisherman. Separate parlors shall be vented individually, while only the outer of connected parlors must be vented.
   1.  Commercial fishermen fishing or authorized to fish, in LCMA 1 as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 shall rig their traps with vents that measure at least 1-15/16 inches by 5 3/4 inches or two circular vents that measure at least 2-7/16 inches.
   2.  Commercial fishermen fishing, or authorized to fish in LCMA 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or Outer Cape Cod, as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 shall rig their traps with vents that measure at least two inches by 5 3/4 inches or two circular vents that measure at least 2 5/8 inches.
   3.  Non-commercial fishermen fishing in the Gulf of Maine Recreational Lobster Area as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 shall rig their traps with vents that measure at least 1-15/16 inches by 5 3/4 inches or two circular vents that measure at least 2-7/16 inches.
   4.  Non-commercial fishermen fishing in the Outer Cape Cod or Southern New England Recreational Lobster Areas as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 shall rig their traps with vents that measure at least two inches by 5 3/4 inches or two circular vents that measure at least 2 5/8 inches.
  (b)  Ghost Panel: a panel or other mechanism which is designed to create an opening to allow the escapement of lobsters within 12 months after a trap has been abandoned or lost, the specifications of which are as follows:
   1.  The opening covered by the panel or created by other approved mechanism shall be rectangular and measure at least 3 3/4 by 3 3/4 inches, shall be located in the outer parlor section(s) of the trap, and in a position which allows an unobstructed exit of lobsters from the trap.
   2.  The panel shall be constructed of, or fastened to the trap with, one of the following materials: wood lath; cotton, hemp, sisal or jute twine not greater than 3/16 inch in diameter; or non-stainless, uncoated ferrous metal not greater than 3/32 inch in diameter.
   3.  The door of the trap may serve as the ghost panel if fastened to the trap with a material specified in 322 CMR 6.02(b).
   4.  The escape vent specified in 322 CMR 6.02(1) may serve as a ghost panel if incorporated into a panel constructed of, or attached to the trap with, a material specified in 322 CMR 6.02(b), and upon breakdown of the degradable materials, will create an opening for egress of lobsters at least 3 3/4 by 3 3/4 inches.
   5.  For purposes of 322 CMR 6.02(2) traps constructed entirely or partially of wood shall be considered to be in compliance if constructed of wood lath to the extent that deterioration of wooden component(s) will result in an unobstructed opening as specified in 322 CMR 6.02(2)(a).
  (c)  Maximum Trap Size. Volume of any trap must not exceed 22,950 cubic inches.
 (2)  Egg-bearing lobsters 
  (a)  It is unlawful to remove eggs from any berried lobster.
  (b)  It is unlawful to land or possess any lobster:
   1.  from which eggs have been removed.
   2.  that has come in contact with any substance capable of removing lobster eggs.
 (3)  V-notched Female Lobster Protection 
  (a)  Purpose: The purpose of 322 CMR 6.02 (3) is to protect certain female lobsters from harvest that bear a v-shaped notch or the remnant of a healed notch on a specific flipper, evidence that the lobster has been marked and released for conservation purposes. Area-specific v-notch standards regarding the possession of previously notched lobsters are created by this regulation consistent with the area-specific components of the interstate management plan. For purposes of complying with 322 CMR 6.02(3) commercial fishing areas and non-commercial fishing areas are those referenced in 322 CMR 6.33 and 322 CMR 6.01, respectively. 
  (b) V-notching Methods. Any commercial fishermen required by 322 CMR or authorized to mark lobsters with a v-shaped notch shall carve a v-shaped notch in the base of a specific flipper by means of a sharp bladed instrument, at least inch and not greater than a inch in depth and tapering to a sharp point. For purposes of 322 CMR 6.02 (3) the specific flipper is to the right of the center flipper as viewed from the rear of the female lobster when the underside of the lobster is down. 
  (c) Mutilated V-notch. For purposes of complying with 322 CMR 6.02(3), it is unlawful for any person to possess a female lobster that is mutilated in a manner that could hide, obscure or obliterate a v-shaped notch. 
  (d) Requirements for Commercial Lobstermen in LCMA 1 to V-notch all egg-bearing females. Commercial lobstermen fishing or authorized to fish in LCMA 1 are required to v-notch and release immediately all egg bearing female lobsters caught in the process of lobstering.
  (e) Area-specific Restrictions on Possessing V-notched Female Lobsters 
   1. Commercial Fishermen in LCMA 1 and Non-commercial fishermen in the Gulf of Maine Recreational Lobster Area It is unlawful for any commercial fisherman fishing or authorized to fish in LCMA 1 and non-commercial fishermen fishing in the Gulf of Maine Recreational Lobster Area as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 to possess any female lobster bearing a v-shaped notch of any size with or without setal hairs. 
   2. Commercial Fishermen in LCMA 2. It is unlawful for any commercial fisherman fishing or authorized to fish in LCMA 2 as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 to possess any female lobster that bears a notch or indentation in the base of the flipper that is at least as deep as 1/8 inch, with or without setal hairs. 
   3. Commercial Fishermen in LCMA 3, 4,5, and 6. It is unlawful for any commercial fisherman fishing or authorized to fish in LCMAs 3, 4, 5, and 6 to possess any female lobster bearing: 
    (i) a v-shaped notch that is at least inch in depth and tapering to a sharp point without setal hairs, through June 30, 2008; 
    (ii) a notch or indentation in the base of the flipper that is at least as deep as 1/8 inch, with or without setal hairs, from July 1, 2008 and beyond. 
   4. Commercial Fishermen in the Outer Cape Cod LCMA, Non-commercial Fishermen in the Outer Cape Cod Recreational Lobster Area and Dealers. It is unlawful for any commercial fisherman fishing or authorized to fish in the Outer Cape Cod LCMA or any non-commercial fisherman fishing in the OUter Cape Cod Recreational Lobster Area as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 or any dealer to possess any female lobster that bears a notch or indentation in the base of the flipper that is at least as deep as 1/4 inch and tapering to a sharp point without setal hairs.
   5. Non-commercial fishermen fishing in the Southern New England Recreational Lobster Area. It is unlawful for any non-commercial fisherman fishing in the Southern New England Recreational Lobster Area as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 to possess any female lobster bearing a notch or indentation in the base of the flipper that is at least as deep as 1/8 inch, with or without setal hairs.
 (4)  Non-Commercial Lobster Daily Possession and Landing Limit. It shall be unlawful for any person to harvest more than 15 lobsters per calendar day for personal use, or possess more than 15 lobsters while lobster fishing in waters under the jurisdiction of the Commonwealth. 
 (5)  Seasonal Closures. Fishing for lobster with pots is prohibited in the: 
  (a)  Outer Cape LCMA from January 15 th through March 15 th. Fishermen are required to remove all lobster traps from waters of the Outer Cape LCMA as defined in 322 CMR 6.33 during this closed period. It is unlawful for any fisherman authorized to fish traps in the Outer Cape LCMA to fish, set, or abandon any lobster traps in the OCC LCMA during this seasonal closure. 
   
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: gmclain on January 14, 2009, 06:34:43 AM
Ok I see the size of the trap and the lobsters, and females with notches, but I did not see how many traps you can have?
Glenn
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on January 14, 2009, 02:11:44 PM
ten traps for novice lic. and you can keep fifteen per day.
no idea how many the pro's may have.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: KenB on January 16, 2009, 09:42:52 AM
I am running 7.

Have not caught anything edible yet.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: gmclain on January 16, 2009, 12:08:56 PM
Thanks Jawilco and good luck KenB hope it gets better.
Glenn
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on January 16, 2009, 02:46:50 PM
I am running 7.

Have not caught anything edible yet.

How long have you been trying ?
I'm told they are not fussy eaters.
Anything will do for bait, in fact the more aromatic it is the better.
Anyway, there must be lobster out there somewhere cause there are people making a living off of them.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: KenB on January 19, 2009, 01:03:39 PM
Have been using striper and bluefish racks.  The plan for next year is to get a filet station going so I can dump my bluefish fillets into my smoking brine and stuff the racks in my traps at the same time. 

Catching lots of lobsters, but not many of the right size. That those that have been have all had eggs.

I should probably run more traps, and check them more regularly.  Those real lobstermen know all the secrets, but I think most of the commercial lobster come from the offshore stings.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on January 20, 2009, 09:25:01 AM
do you  use a puller of some sort or manual ?
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: KenB on January 21, 2009, 08:45:11 AM
Manual for now. I do have plans for a davit.  Most of my traps are in less that 30 feet of water...
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on February 16, 2009, 09:33:51 PM
Borrowed by Brother in Laws MIG welder which is a pretty nice little rig. As it turns out I'm not much of a welder tho.
This thing seems to pull at a reasonable speed, and all it needs now is a cover for everything but the working end and it should be all set......except,one axle to cut, and  I need to figure out how it should be oriented in relation to the davit and pulley.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: KenB on February 17, 2009, 07:55:40 AM
Jawilco - those images posted at .PDD (the "extension" at the end of the file name) so I can't see them.  Can you repost as .JPG or .PNG? (i.e. jpeg).  Thanks!  You might have to open them and "save as..." to get them to work.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on February 17, 2009, 08:30:19 AM
Sorry 'bout that.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: walknbob on February 17, 2009, 09:01:40 AM
Sorry 'bout that.

Did you build that? Damn... do you leave the gears exposed or is there a housing to keeps fingers and clothes out of there?
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: KenB on February 17, 2009, 08:32:50 PM
Crap that looks great! Nice job, I have really enjoyed following this thread. Some of the earlier ideas were just about craziest enough to work...


Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on February 17, 2009, 08:51:10 PM


Did you build that? Damn... do you leave the gears exposed or is there a housing to keeps fingers and clothes out of there?
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No I didn't  build it, all I did was change the final gear reduction to a 1:1 ratio.
As an anchor puller it was too slow to pull traps.
I think it's around 80 or so fpm now and that should be fine.
I fed a rope thru it and it seems to be just about right.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on February 17, 2009, 08:53:57 PM
do you leave the gears exposed or is there a housing to keeps fingers and c

I'll cover the innards with a wooden box so the only exposed part will be the windlass.
Still have to make some sort of a davit to hang the pulley from.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on February 17, 2009, 08:56:52 PM
Crap that looks great! Nice job, I have really enjoyed following this thread. Some of the earlier ideas were just about craziest enough to work...

Thanks Ken.
I still like the idea of having a reduction gear added to my horizontal shaft motor. If the electric one goes tits up I may have one manufactured.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: walknbob on February 17, 2009, 09:19:56 PM
I'll cover the innards with a wooden box so the only exposed part will be the windlass.
Still have to make some sort of a davit to hang the pulley from.

I'm impressed. That probably doesn't mean much to guys who make all kinds of shit. But I can appreciate guys who figure shit out and just make it or make it work. I am a follow directions sort of guy then would rather you didn't look at it too closely whem I'm done.

Good job.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: gmclain on February 18, 2009, 10:52:50 AM
Looks good, my suggestion is to go throw your pots out in deep water right now. I figure the idea of having to pull them by hand will increase you motivation to get the davit done. Ok sorry for being a smarty.
Glenn
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on February 18, 2009, 04:57:30 PM


I'm impressed. That probably doesn't mean much to guys who make all kinds of shit. But I can appreciate guys who figure shit out and just make it or make it work. I am a follow directions sort of guy then would rather you didn't look at it too closely whem I'm done.

Good job.


Thanks.
If it works, then I've saved a lot of money. If it doesn't work, I've had a lot of fun for short money.
BTW you must have some talent, as you've built a 24ft Jumbo. Nothing to sneeze at !
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: jawilco on February 18, 2009, 04:59:55 PM
Looks good, my suggestion is to go throw your pots out in deep water right now. I figure the idea of having to pull them by hand will increase you motivation to get the davit done. Ok sorry for being a smarty.
Glenn

Necessity is the mother of invention, and that would be a rapid birth indeed.
Actually the weather is still too cold for me to go out. In fact it's snowing out tonight.
I'm sooooo over winter.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: gmclain on February 18, 2009, 08:12:33 PM
Necessity is the mother of invention, and that would be a rapid birth indeed.
Actually the weather is still too cold for me to go out. In fact it's snowing out tonight.
I'm sooooo over winter.

All I got to say to that is AMEN!
Glenn

Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: KenB on February 19, 2009, 07:48:31 AM
But at least it's a nice, light, wet, sort of spring timey snow!

Definitely feels like spring is around the corner. I think we have 2 more snow falls and then home free. 
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: walknbob on February 19, 2009, 08:41:38 AM
Definitely feels like spring is around the corner. I think we have 2 more snow falls and then home free. 

Damn you guys.. you shouldn't carry on like this when we are looking at 2 more months. It makes us cranky  ???
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: tolman_paul on February 19, 2009, 11:11:20 AM
Bob,

If we have a good weather window, I'm thinking about heading out in the sound for Rock fish in late March, early April.

Reality will more likely be I'm lucky to get out by June.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: mattumattu on March 06, 2009, 11:30:30 AM
can't you just pull them with a bouy, i pull my tanner crab pots here in kachemak bay with a bouy and a little anchor puller i bought at the gear shed and it works just fine with my 20 ft standard in about 400 ft of water
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: walknbob on March 06, 2009, 12:33:49 PM
pull my tanner crab pots here in kachemak bay with a bouy and a little anchor puller i bought at the gear shed and it works just fine with my 20 ft standard in about 400 ft of water

Mattumattuu

Is the anchor puller one of those one way sliding devices?  Do you crab around Yukon Island?
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: kiwi les on March 07, 2009, 11:35:06 AM
The anchor pullers that my yacht club uses for lift mark warps, and myself, are just the large carabiner snap hooks. All our warps are spliced to the chains. The large carabiner will go over the splice and go right to the anchor most of the time. It does occasionally get caught at that point. This makes it easier for mark retrieval. I have used the clip on one way thing and I found it to be a pain, especially with cold fingers, and more speed is required to get it to work. The carabiner is only about 5 knots so is good in heavy seas.
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: mattumattu on March 08, 2009, 11:37:13 PM
i've mostly bean out just south of the green can haven't had a pot out since fall and yes one of those sliding pullers from the gear shed seemed to work very well, i think a guy might wear one out fairly fast but they aren't that expensive compaired to the good crab you get
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: Alasgun on June 11, 2010, 06:00:05 PM
I know it's been a while since anyone gave this any time but not only is this my first post but it's also the only thing I've found that I know a little something about. There are 2 pictures of the davit puller I put on my C-dory a couple years ago. I made and did all the davit work my self and bought the hauler. Electric is not a bad way to go!
Mike
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: steveoh on June 12, 2010, 10:01:47 AM
Very interesting set up. I hadn't thought of mounting a puller on a bulkhead like that, but now that I see, I think it's a great idea.  And I just so happen to have such a bulkhead on my Jumbo. Hmmmm. and I have a davit. Double hmmmm.

As I recall though, those Electrodyne's aren't cheap. Save my pennies.

Steveoh
I know it's been a while since anyone gave this any time but not only is this my first post but it's also the only thing I've found that I know a little something about. There are 2 pictures of the davit puller I put on my C-dory a couple years ago. I made and did all the davit work my self and bought the hauler. Electric is not a bad way to go!
Mike
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: Alasgun on June 14, 2010, 09:21:05 PM
Yea, I think there in the $1200 range, that pot builder in Palmer sells them. I added another shot of the davit in the dingy pulling position. If any one is interested in this davit set up, I've got a whole disc of construction photos that would get you going.
Mike
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: JMB on June 16, 2010, 11:33:20 PM
Interesting setup.  But, lo the downside.  If your trap becomes hung up before you can shut off the pulley you could...............'roll the boat'!
Believe thats why the pot haulers in Maine have the pulleys mounted just afoot or so from whatever side the steering is on.  So, the boat would not tend to 'dog' down and capsize.
Just my $.0002 from Maine.
JMB
Title: Re: lobster trap puller
Post by: JMB on June 17, 2010, 12:03:06 AM
Lo and behold said Tolman builder in Maine.......who shall remain nameless..........should have looked over the photos more closely.  Nice application.
Believe this 'thread' about pot haulers has been on the forum for about 3 years now.  Same lenght, sooooooooooo far that said gentleman from Gardiner, Maine......who will remain nameless.........
has been a building his Standard 20..............
JMB